when did hair bands start and how would you describe what a hair band is?

[Phantastico]

Originally Posted by Astrid Kirchherr

Wait the Stones sang about sex ???

love and hope and sex and dreams...:-(O)

[Astrid Kirchherr]

Originally Posted by METALPRIEST

Hard to believe huh??

Scorpions is a bad example too, becaue #1 they came out in the EARLY EARLY 70's and #2 they don't have long hair (at least in the 80's as they were losing it) and don't wear make up. Since that's what we're basing hair bands on..I think people get too confused on this topic..

Well the sad truth is...alot of the'Hairbands' of the 80's would be 'Hair Club For Men Bands ' now lol...

[Astrid Kirchherr]

Originally Posted by METALPRIEST

Yeah..but not that sad really...alot of them cut if off and have more modern styles!

The fantastic European Power Metal of today, most of the time still has long hair that they can headbang around, though the music is more sophisticated, beautiful and orchestrated.

It's more hippie style, no hairspray, exposed forehead..but long nevertheless..

Like I said, there always were bands with long hair and non hair bands that sang about parties,girls and sex.

..and I'm sorry but I must repeat:

Doesn't change the fact that Mick Jagger wore fancy clothes,long hair,eye makep and wrote cheesy songs about sex and girls.

The same people call Aerosmith a hairband for the 80's and early 90's but were they not a 70's band??

Another band that hair band haters are in denial about are The Black Crowes!

Yup I remember when they came out. They were a new breed of hairband, singing about chicks and drugs and sex. Had the long hair fancy clothes and eye makeup.

They just did it in a Faces/Stones sort of way, but with that polished late 80's early 90's production.

Much like Enuff Z'Nuff (accused of being a hairband) did it with A Beatles, Mott The Hoople, Monkees,Zeppelin flair with all the color and psychedelia too and sang with a Nasal, Beatles/British vibe. (working on CD 13 now)

I was there in a band with long hair,and remember when the Black Crowes came out and no one batted an eye...plus they were always on things like Hard 'N' Heavy video magazine and shit...

But people need to get past this crap...it was the 80's..

Bono had a mullet!!

Cyndi Lauper,Michael Jackson,Culture Club,Paula Abdul..plus let's not forget all the bands that were "POP" that didn't try to come off as metal, and had no distorted guitars...they all wore some sort of bad 80's fashions and hair that were cool at the time as well as the polished late 80's productions.

Give it 10-15-20 years and someone will try and label what's going on today...it's a way to make people feel better, to try and justify a reason, why they don't like a band...just name the one band you don't like and move on....

But for anyone to label every band with long hair, or because they have a ballad is silly...look at the BIGGER picture..and that's moving past the radio hit..

I know I was teasing about the hair,,,

I know that YOU know that a bands quality is not based on their looks ..

In the end all bands submit to a 'look' . Be it Punk,grundge,metal, Hair,Pop...
it might define the style of the current band

but the talents of the musician..the longevity of their music ,comes down to filling the bill wit great music

I remember when I saw Peter Frampton walk out bald ...the first time i saw him play after years of worshipping the'Golden God' version...it WAS shock..
But then he started playing...THAT was the magic..THAT hadn't changed

Alot of people had written Frampton off a pretty boy idol...but he came out wailing that axe..and thats what made him last beyond his fashionable pop era.

Hairbands in general were a big music craze that was a big victim of over exposure. So many really talented musicians came out of that era tho...IF IT WAS ONLY 'HAIR' they wouldn't have lasted pass 1989 ..
Warren Dimartini,Slash, Steve Stevens, Nikki Six, Steve Vai, so many awesome guiarist that were descent muscians...

[Astrid Kirchherr]

Originally Posted by METALPRIEST

Quite right Astrid and on that note, I think I made enough enough examples..so Foxhound...if you must debate me about what hairbands are or not , like The Scorpions ( )..

Just refrence posts..

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Cause it's not gonna change and it's going to be repetitive...

Give me a good song anyday, and I don't give a frogs fat ass if their bald or have hair to their feet!

LAMO..Just discovered the name for Mick Jagger's Fag dance ..Frogs Ass !!!! lol (you KNOW I'M TEASING people !!)

[Foxhound]

Originally Posted by Metalpriest

...uh who was that band then in the 80's called the Rolling Stones? Someone else??

You think I'm that dumb? That I don't know they came out in the 60's??

The phrase I used was "really blossomed" in the eighties. The Stones musical peak was well before the eighties.

Another band that hair band haters are in denial about....

Once again, I don't think of hair band as a pejorative term. I just think of it primarily as referring to star rock bands that blossomed in the eighties.

Originally Posted by Metalpriest

Doesn't change the fact that Mick Jagger wore fancy clothes,long hair,eye makep and wrote cheesy songs about sex and girls.

Originally Posted by Astrid Kirchherr

Wait the Stones sang about sex ???

Now you two are just being silly. There may be a couple of rock bands that don't do cheesy songs about sex but I can't name them right now. That's why doing songs about sex was never part of my definition of hair band.

[BlckDeth]

Originally Posted by METALPRIEST

Music >>>>> Looks for me...

Oh, whatever, Mr. "I-hate-Amy-Winehouse-cuz-she's-an-uggo."

jk, jk

[Phantastico]

Originally Posted by METALPRIEST

So I stick to my words..music>>>>>looks..

I have to step out of the forbidden zone for a moment and ask:

What exactly does "music>>>>>looks" mean?

And I'm not trying to start an argument -- I would just really like to know.

[Astrid Kirchherr]

Originally Posted by Phantastico

I have to step out of the forbidden zone for a moment and ask:

What exactly does "music>>>>>looks" mean?

And I'm not trying to start an argument -- I would just really like to know.

Aren't those..the little German cars that look like fishbowls on wheels..everybody with $500 drove in the 80''s ? Uggos ?

[Phantastico]

Originally Posted by Astrid Kirchherr

Aren't those..the little German cars that look like fishbowls on wheels..everybody with $500 drove in the 80''s ? Uggos ?

It's a Yugo, my dear...



Your diplomacy is admirable...

~ Astrid Kirchherr For Secretary Of State ~

[Astrid Kirchherr]

Originally Posted by Phantastico

It's a Yugo, my dear...



Your diplomacy is admirable...

~ Astrid Kirchherr For Secretary Of State ~

..only if I get a Uggo Yugo

[Astrid Kirchherr]

Just for the record , I'm not a fan of Amy Winehouse either.

It's a case of 'WHAT am I missing ?' I've heard her music..it's alright, but I see and hear nothing to
deserve all the hype.

It's the same dumbfounded glaze I get when people on here/and work go on about 'American Idol'..

Don't get ? Oh well back to my Yugo

[Astrid Kirchherr]

Originally Posted by METALPRIEST

LMAO METAL

You even got me a red FANCY Yugo...Wahooo I'm cranking up some Aldo Nova

[BlckDeth]

Originally Posted by METALPRIEST

I don't know what that's supposed to mean...am I supposed to like her now cause she's un attractive?...I said she had a couple songs that I like,but overall she's over rated to me and I predict she won't last to legendary status.

Not all that into her music..I made that clear..If the music was something I wanted to hear I would get past the drugs and the look...too "trendy" and irritating..

So I stick to my words..music>>>>>looks..

The fact that she's an uggo is not my fault.

Relax, dude. I was just makin' a joke (jk). Didn't mean anything by it, keep rockin'.

[Foxhound]

Well it seems that Van Halen meets Entertainment Weekly's definition of hair-metal bands anyway:

EW's Hair Band Quiz

[Black Dahlia]

Ok... before reading any posts in this thread, I'll say this: To me, hair-band is a derogatory title.

I think it evolved out of the stage make-up and performance clothes metal bands were wearing on stage in the early 80's.

A "hair-band" is glam-metal, but focused more on looks (hair, in particular) than musicianship, and plays it safe by following the trends instead of blazing their own trail, leaving their own scar... whatever.

Some bands, you have to give a pass to, as the look was all-important if you were up-and-coming, no matter how good you were. Great White, Cinderella, and Skid Row were examples of this. Guns-n-Roses also, to a lesser extent.

Motley Crue, Dokken, original Van Halen: glam-metal

Firehouse, Winger, Faster Pussycat: hair-bands.

[zen]

80's heavy metal rock bands sound like they spent too much time in front of the mirror.

[bobbyg29]

Originally Posted by Black Dahlia

Ok... before reading any posts in this thread, I'll say this: To me, hair-band is a derogatory title.

I think it evolved out of the stage make-up and performance clothes metal bands were wearing on stage in the early 80's.

A "hair-band" is glam-metal, but focused more on looks (hair, in particular) than musicianship, and plays it safe by following the trends instead of blazing their own trail, leaving their own scar... whatever.

Some bands, you have to give a pass to, as the look was all-important if you were up-and-coming, no matter how good you were. Great White, Cinderella, and Skid Row were examples of this. Guns-n-Roses also, to a lesser extent.

Motley Crue, Dokken, original Van Halen: glam-metal

Firehouse, Winger, Faster Pussycat: hair-bands.

Agree for most part....I would argue bands like Crue went from glam to hair later in career. Look at difference between Shout at the Devil and Girls, Girls, Girls. If you haven't seen it check out Twisted Sister documentary on Netflix...great example of this.

Another defining feature of hair metal was the never ending pursuit of the next great power ballad

[Foxhound]

Originally Posted by Black Dahlia

Ok... before reading any posts in this thread, I'll say this: To me, hair-band is a derogatory title.

I'd never even heard the term until I saw it used on this very board circa 2010. What I noticed is that fans of any particular band are offended by and opposed to that band being classified as a hair band.

Originally Posted by Black Dahlia

I think it evolved out of the stage make-up and performance clothes metal bands were wearing on stage in the early 80's.

A "hair-band" is glam-metal, but focused more on looks (hair, in particular) than musicianship, and plays it safe by following the trends instead of blazing their own trail, leaving their own scar... whatever.

Some bands, you have to give a pass to, as the look was all-important if you were up-and-coming, no matter how good you were. Great White, Cinderella, and Skid Row were examples of this. Guns-n-Roses also, to a lesser extent.

Motley Crue, Dokken, original Van Halen: glam-metal

Firehouse, Winger, Faster Pussycat: hair-bands.

Butch had the best answer to this question in another thread:

Originally Posted by butch

These hair metal polls are funny. Obviously there isn't one agreed upon idea of what hair metal is. The term didn't even exist when the "genre" (which was really just heavy metal) was popular.

But we can all agree that many people decide liking a band makes them not hair metal.

"oh I liked them and they were good so they weren't hair metal"

LOL!

My own thought on the subject is "If the shoe fits, wear it." What's with all the protestations about such-and-such an eighties band that looks the part not being a hair band?