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Phantastico 11-02-2009 12:26 AM

No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
There's been quite a bit of talk about illegal downloading, and a lot of people seem to think that it is killing the music business, especially major record companies.

Do you believe that? Do you think that if illegal downaloding was stopped and contained tomorrow, that the record companies would seem substantially see more profits?

This is very simple "yes" or "no" poll.

If you believe that downloading is a major reason record companies are losing money, then vote "yes"

If you believe there are other contributing factors besides (or instead) downloading that are losing money for record companies, then vote "no"

This is not intended to become an argument about the ethics of downloading. If you want to call downloaders "thieves" or other names, save your comments for another thread.

hightea 11-02-2009 12:31 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
nope the record companies still think the music business is all about a mega hit. The music business has changed too many genres and tastes. If they can't learn how to make money with smaller bands then they will continue to fail-downloads or no downloads.

tacobender44 11-02-2009 12:46 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
i agree, music today is more driven on the hit single and if downloading is contained then people will just try and record the song off the radio or have their friend burn them a copy of a few hit mega singles or find alternative ways to obtain that hit single and only that single

dangerbird 11-02-2009 01:48 AM

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i agree with Hightea and Taco...record companies are taking the wrong approach...theyre not trying to promote the new creative bands...they are pushing the hit single or promoting copycat or manufactured bands...if they thought about patiently supporting a lot of the great new bands out there, they would reap strong long term profits

white_lancer 11-02-2009 02:04 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
I voted 'Yes' because I think it's certainly a contributing factor, but I realize I probably should have voted 'No' based on the criteria you set because I do believe there are other major contributing factors like the one Hightea pointed out.

elias75 11-02-2009 08:06 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
illegal downloading means less sales = less label income = less artist income.... However, the record industry is changing and transforming into a kind of 'advertising agency' that is generating income through other streams of revenue (endorsements, talent shows, royalties etc)

Record companies do invest in new artists (maybe not as much as they could and not as much as in the past) but they do release new stuff... of course this stuff is not what we here in the CRF would appreciate but more into the mainstream side of things....

BlueMeanie 11-02-2009 08:24 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
I don't believe it's killing the music business. I just don't care about downloading music at all. It doesn't interest me. I do not own an iPod, I will never own an iPod. I'm old fashioned and plan to stay that way. I prefer owning the actual album. Most of the iPod generation care not about liner notes, pictures, etc included in CDs, to me that's one of the benefits. They don't know what they're missing. :D

Do I consider/label these people thieves? Absolutely not.

butch 11-02-2009 11:16 AM

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The answer is yes and its not a question of opinion. Its been a proven fact that DLing has seriously cut into major labels profits. Since the shift to digital has begun they have recorded smaller profit lines every quarter.

I wont go so far as to say its "killing them" but its forcing a large scale shift in their business model. ANd like Elias pointed out, it is making them work the 360 deals even harder and they are putting much more weight into talent with strong sponsor potential.

Phantastico 11-02-2009 11:27 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by butch (Post 958043)
The answer is yes and its not a question of opinion. Its been a proven fact that DLing has seriously cut into major labels profits. Since the shift to digital has begun they have recorded smaller profit lines every quarter.

I'd be interested to see what facts you've turned up. Can you point me to any legitimate links or resources you've researched that will verify this?

The only hard numbers I've seen (from the RIAA, no less) is that downloading has taken about a 20% bite out of the record company's profits. Yeah, that's serious. But that's only if you want to assume that everyone who downloaded a CD would have bought it.

And that's the problem I have with the record companies. They are assuming people would have bought the music if they couldn't have downloaded it. That's a very dangerous assumption, IMHO.

hightea 11-02-2009 11:35 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantastico (Post 958051)

The only hard numbers I've seen (from the RIAA, no less) is that downloading has taken about a 20% bite out of the record company's profits. Yeah, that's serious. But that's only if you want to assume that everyone who downloaded a CD would have bought it.

And that's the problem I have with the record companies. They are assuming people would have bought the music if they couldn't have downloaded it. That's a very dangerous assumption, IMHO.

Sure its just a % of that number but also you need to take into account people who download music to discover a band and because of downloads end up buying their music(including several future albums) and seeing them in concerts. Without downloading I'm sure I would listen to several less bands and support several less bands live.

Phantastico 11-02-2009 11:39 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hightea (Post 958057)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Phantastico (Post 958051)

The only hard numbers I've seen (from the RIAA, no less) is that downloading has taken about a 20% bite out of the record company's profits. Yeah, that's serious. But that's only if you want to assume that everyone who downloaded a CD would have bought it.

And that's the problem I have with the record companies. They are assuming people would have bought the music if they couldn't have downloaded it. That's a very dangerous assumption, IMHO.

Sure its just a % of that number but also you need to take into account people who download music to discover a band and because of downloads end up buying their music(including several future albums) and seeing them in concerts. Without downloading I'm sure I would listen to several less bands and support several less bands live.

I agree. Unfortunately, some people (mostly the uncreative bean counters that run the record industry) fail to see the complete picture like you.

CosmicDancer 11-02-2009 12:42 PM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elias75 (Post 957977)
Record companies do invest in new artists (maybe not as much as they could and not as much as in the past) but they do release new stuff... of course this stuff is not what we here in the CRF would appreciate but more into the mainstream side of things....

Sure, they are still releasing new albums by new artists, but if said artist doesn't take off immediately and move tons of albums or digital singles, they get dropped with no thought of a 2nd chance. I guess that's what you were hinting at in saying "maybe not as much....." but, I don't consider that investing in new artists at all. There is no longer development in major label acts.

Can you imagine someone like Springsteen trying to start a career now? His first 2 records didn't sell well enough to garner bigtime billboard chart positions and it's a well known fact that Columbia Records would have dropped him had "Born to Run" not become such a huge album. He is one of many similar stories and to think that we would have been robbed of their careers full of great music makes me sick. It makes me sick that it happens today!! Even worse, most major labels aren't even entertaining the thought of giving something halfway creative a shot if the artists doesn't already have a proven record. So really, they will only invest in new "talent" if it is within their proven success formula of teeny bopper pop or shitty rock bands like Nickelback. Don't even bother applying if your sound doesn't fit in there.

As for the question at hand in this poll, No, I don't think that outlawing downloading will equal the succesful return of the record industry. The problem runs way deeper than that. Greedy label heads and execs killed the industry a long time ago with their exorbitant pricing of product that to this day still hasn't really been fixed and other factors. Sure, downloading does cut into their profit but I don't think it does so as much as they'd lead you to believe. Also, I do believe that the people who are REALLY into music and really consider albums/songs to be a valid part of their life will buy the albums even if they did get a free preview beforehand. Does that mean I am in support of illegal downloading? Nope, but to say it has singlehandedly killed the record business is just plain wrong.

jimmy 11-02-2009 02:14 PM

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No. Here's an interesting article I think people should read.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-1812776.html

Phantastico 11-02-2009 02:17 PM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 958165)
No. Here's an interesting article I think people should read.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-1812776.html

I referenced this article in another thread. Very interesting, huh?

TrekkiELO 11-03-2009 02:18 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
No

annie 11-03-2009 07:11 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 958165)
No. Here's an interesting article I think people should read.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-1812776.html

This is exactly what I have been saying in all my posts on this topic. I have purchased dozens of CDs after hearing the downloaded shared files. I would not have bought even one without hearing them first. Those 30 second clips just don't do it because the best is usually smack in the middle.

zeppboy 11-03-2009 08:48 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hightea (Post 957896)
nope the record companies still think the music business is all about a mega hit. The music business has changed too many genres and tastes. If they can't learn how to make money with smaller bands then they will continue to fail-downloads or no downloads.

I agree. They would still have major problems even if all downloading suddenly stopped.

hightea 11-03-2009 09:11 AM

Re: No Downloading = Record Company Success?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy (Post 958165)
No. Here's an interesting article I think people should read.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...l-1812776.html

yeap not surprised by this stat. The average small time music listener is not going to bother to download music because they barely listen to music its not worth their time. The person who loves music is going to get music everyway they can, sometimes download for free but in the end if they are a music junkie they are going to be buying it, see the bands live and heck maybe even purchasing merch. So if you lose a little with illegal downloads in the end you may make it up elsewhere.


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