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dwill123 04-18-2020 12:35 PM

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The Flower Kings are really one of my newer (for me) favorite bands. I've only been into them for a couple of years but they grew on me quickly.


dr wu 04-18-2020 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dwill123 (Post 1290757)
The Flower Kings are really one of my newer (for me) favorite bands. I've only been into them for a couple of years but they grew on me quickly.


I like TFK,,,,I have the first 7 albums....after a while the later ones sounded too similar to the earlier ones so I stopped buying them.
Might look into them again.

Foxhound 04-23-2020 08:46 PM

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So I've been told that Jethro Tull is classified among the "Big Six" prog bands by hard core fans of the genre. Jethro Tull also ranks among my top ten bands. Back me into a corner and I'd have to pick these as my favourite three Jethro Tull cuts:







:music:

hightea 04-23-2020 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dr wu (Post 1290232)

As to prog rock...I mean any and everything that could be considered prog rock: classic stuff like King Crimson, Yes, and Genesis...all the way to newer bands like Porcupine Tree, Opeth, Wobbler....etc.

Welcome Dr Wu, nice to see a prog thread on the old board.
While I listen to almost everything I have a big heart for prog.

The big six are all excellent although some have had their bad moments. I would put them in this order

Pink Floyd
Genesis
King Crimson
Yes
ELP
Jethro Tull

My favorite band is Gong, hence the username, mostly for their large family of musicians and various styles (love it all), Steve Hillage Band, Strawbs, Nektar, Soft Machine, Gentle Giant, Hawkwind, Roxy Music(and related), Van Der Graaf Generator and everything Peter Hammill, PFM(plus about another 10 Italian bands), Camel, Harmonium, Magma, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Shakti(and anything John McLaughlin) , Zappa, Mike Oldfield, Caravan and other Canterbury bands, Brand X (saw them with Phil Collins). so much more.

In regards to since the 70's

Marillion second singer and still going strong.
P Tree and now Steven Wilson's side stuff
Riverside
The Flower Kings
Ozric Tentacles
Hidria Spacefolk
Anglagard
Univers Zero and Present
IQ
Liquid Tension Experiment (prefer with T Levin)
Echolyn

plenty others feel free to ask about any of them.

I see lots of live shows this is the old blog

https://www.crf2.com/showthread.php?t=892

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Originally Posted by dr wu (Post 1290232)
I currently use the genres used by Progressive Rock Archives on line.They tend to be pretty inclusive and even have many sub genres like Symphonic all the way to Prog related and Crossover prog. I'm open minded about all of this but I tend to stick with the older bands from about '69 to '80 when I name them...though the 'experts' on Prog Archives have included many bands .
I was curious lf there was a dedicated thread for prog rock...I tend to be more interested in that the past few years.
:smile:

Prog archives has been to my go to reference for prog been arguing with CRF2(other boards too) members for years over what is prog.
It got so bad that I had to become a mod and then started paying for this site for a few years. haha

To me where prog separates from a progressive rock band of the 60's is most of it is not based on the blues. While I'm a fan of the blues and blues based rock bands but I need another perspective sometimes.

Also a big fan of lots of prog or proglike that most people don't consider prog
Radiohead
Sigur Ros
Kraftwerk
Swans

dr wu 04-23-2020 10:50 PM

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Thanks for the welcome High Tea...
I also like Gong ..my favorite by them is You. but I like just about everything they did. Haven't bought anything post 1979.
I have something by all the bands you listed and some their whole discography. Crimson is probably my favorite of the prog bands though all the big 6 are excellent.
Hidria Spacefolk is the only one I haven't heard of. I'll be sure to ck them out. Lately been listening to the more obscure early Brit proto -prog blues rock/ psych rock bands ....Gravy Train, Steamhammer, Spooky Tooth, Gun, Andromeda, High Tide, Groundhogs, Patto, etc....so many of those around back in the day.

I like all the genres....I listened to Ash Ra Tempel- Join Inn earlier.
Looking forward to some good prog discussion....

dwill123 04-24-2020 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by hightea (Post 1290840)
In regards to since the 70's

Marillion second singer and still going strong.

I recently (last couple of years) have started seriously getting into Marillion. I prefer Hogarth over Fish as the singer (a view which seems 180 from most over at PA). I checked out Marillion after I started listening to Transatlantic.


hightea 04-24-2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dwill123 (Post 1290848)
I recently (last couple of years) have started seriously getting into Marillion. I prefer Hogarth over Fish as the singer (a view which seems 180 from most over at PA). I checked out Marillion after I started listening to Transatlantic.


Starting listening to Marillion in the late 90's and at that time was more a Fish fan. However, since Marbles came out I started consider them equal. These days I would take H over Fish although those early Marillion albums are brilliant. Also like some of Fish's solo stuff.

dr wu 04-24-2020 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dwill123 (Post 1290848)
I recently (last couple of years) have started seriously getting into Marillion. I prefer Hogarth over Fish as the singer (a view which seems 180 from most over at PA). I checked out Marillion after I started listening to Transatlantic.


I could see Collins singing that one....I like some Marillion..both old and new but the new stuff is simply too easygoing for me. It doesn't even really sound proggy to me at times,, more like rock ballads.
And many of the tracks blend into one for me.
As an example...I like this song but it's basically the same type of rock ballad song as the one you posted...


Foxhound 04-30-2020 10:45 AM

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My favourite track by Emerson, Lake and Palmer:



I love the accordion!

:music:

dr wu 04-30-2020 02:59 PM

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Nice track....you might like this one also...


Foxhound 04-30-2020 08:47 PM

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Yes, that's another one of my favourites.

:music:

dr wu 04-30-2020 10:59 PM

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Ok..from my favorite ELP album....something exquisite....enjoy.


dwill123 06-09-2020 11:52 AM

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Posting a decent interview this YouTube guy had with Derek Shulman (former lead singer) of Gentle Giant about a week ago. Apparently Shulman has not let any grass grow under his feet since the break up. Take a listen.


dwill123 07-17-2020 01:09 PM

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If you stayed with the previously posted interview with Derek Shulman (just above). At around 51 minutes he alludes to a sort of new Gentle Giant release coming. The posting here is that release and I must say it is excellent. It consists of various GG band members, sons, daughters and maybe wife. It is the song 'Proclamation' from 'The Power And The Glory'. So if you wanted to get the gist of it you can go to YouTube and check out the original. As I said before I thought they did an excellent job. Enjoy.


Foxhound 12-16-2020 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxhound (Post 1290447)
"Always" is a long time. Like I say, I very clearly remember a popular DJ in southwestern Ontario using the term "progressive rock" to refer to the album oriented rock that had developed by 1968-69 before the art rock bands of the 1970's existed.


Here's more evidence that the term "progressive rock" referred more broadly to all album-oriented rock when the term first gained widespread currency in 1968-69:


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Originally Posted by Album-Oriented Rock (Wikipedia)
By 1970 many of the stations were moving to institute programming rules with a "clock" and system of "rotation". With this shift, stations' formats in the early 1970s were now billed as progressive. DJs still had much input over the music they played, and the selection was deep and eclectic, ranging from folk to hard rock with other styles such as jazz fusion occasionally thrown in.

In October 1971, WPLJ in New York began to shift its free-form progressive rock format into a more tightly formatted hit oriented rock format, similar to what would later become known as album-oriented rock. WPLJ's parent company ABC installed similar formats on all of its FM stations including KLOS in Los Angeles and WRIF in Detroit. In 1973 Lee Abrams, formerly at WRIF, successfully installed a similar format, later known as SuperStars, at WQDR in Raleigh, North Carolina.

In 1972, Ron Jacobs, program director at KGB-FM in San Diego, began using detailed listener research and expanded playlists in shifting the top 40 station towards a progressive rock format. Meanwhile, at competing station KPRI, program director Mike Harrison was similarly applying top 40 concepts to the progressive format which he dubbed "album-oriented rock."


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dr wu 12-17-2020 01:57 PM

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I was around then..started college in 69...no one I knew in college used the term prog rock then ...i don't really recall hearing it until the early to mid 70's.
At any rate the 'radio jocks' played more mainstream things because the stations wanted to make some money from ads. The 'big 6 of prog' ,as mentioned above, were played but none of the lessor known bands. Many radio stations later at night played AOR stuff and dug deeper into tracks on various lp's. Not all of these bands by any means were what was called prog later on.

Foxhound 12-17-2020 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by dr wu (Post 1296709)
I was around then..started college in 69...no one I knew in college used the term prog rock then ...i don't really recall hearing it until the early to mid 70's.

You would not have heard any references to "prog" in 1969. The term "progressive rock" hadn't yet been abbreviated to "prog" nor had the meaning been more narrowly constrained to refer only to bands similar to this "Big 6".

:smile:

dr wu 12-17-2020 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Foxhound (Post 1296710)
You would not have heard any references to "prog" in 1969. The term "progressive rock" hadn't yet been abbreviated to "prog" nor had the meaning been more narrowly constrained to refer only to bands similar to this "Big 6".

:smile:

Yes..you are talking to a guy who knows all of this...not trying to be a smart ass but I was in the thick of music then and had friends in bands who were popular at IU and into all kinds of music....'prog' is indeed a shortened version but again no one used the term 'progressive rock' either....there might have been a few 'radio jocks' here and there in bit cities but it was not in wide use in the world of music fans and we were listening to Yes, Crimson, Tull, Floyd, as well as stranger bands etc.

btw..just curious are you as old as me...? You don't have your age listed ;)


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