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Old 08-22-2007, 02:16 PM   #19
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Re: Whats the deal with Charlie Watts?

It might be an old school jazz thing.
When youre playing a swing beat on the high hat, you dont hit the HH and snare at the same time. Not as a rule, but you dont play the HH on 2 and 4.
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Another tune that comes to mind is 'Start Me Up'. I've heard other drummers say that Charlie actually messed up in the beginning of that tune. I say no and just admire how he abused that 4/4 time signature. I would have never of thought of that.
Being a drummer myself, that intro always confounded me. It could have been a mistake that sounded so cool they left it alone. It would be interesting to listen to a live cut and see how they do the intro.
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Old 08-23-2007, 10:58 PM   #21
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He always lifts up on the Hi Hat with his right hand before he hits the snare with his left.
I saw that, and as a young drummer I thought that thats what you were supposed to do. But then, I didnt see anyone else do that.
Don Henley's the only other drummer I can remember seeing do that. I'm not a drummer, but I don't understand it...it looks weird to me.
Levon Helm from The Band also plays like that sometimes - or at least he used to.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:20 PM   #22
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Charlie's good tonight, innit?
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Old 08-28-2007, 09:13 AM   #23
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The Stones are a rock band, not a jazz band. I don't see having "challenging" drumming as a necessity in rock music. Often what you don't play is as important as what you do play. The Stones rock solid back beat is one of the reasons for their longevity IMO.

As for looking bored, he just has one of those faces.
Agreed...I love old Charlie...anyone who could put up with Mick and Keef' for 40 years...
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Old 08-29-2007, 01:50 PM   #24
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Another tune that comes to mind is 'Start Me Up'. I've heard other drummers say that Charlie actually messed up in the beginning of that tune. I say no and just admire how he abused that 4/4 time signature. I would have never of thought of that.
I've always loved the way he stumbles into Mixed Emotions...
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:42 AM   #25
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He always lifts up on the Hi Hat with his right hand before he hits the snare with his left.
It's harder to achieve louder volumes with traditional grip. Maybe he was trying to emphasize the snare stroke (since rock is a back beat oriented music in a broad sense ) by that huge motion in the early days ? Then he got use to it or the beat became his signature

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Old 08-15-2008, 08:47 AM   #26
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I think he is one of the best drummers around also; over
the years Charlie Watts, the man and musician has been
as steady as his beat. The Stones have been fortunate to
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Charlie is my favorite drummer in all of rock n roll. We have been here before and went around and around. So he isn't very showy! Who cares? He is rock solid and his time is untouchable. The guy never misses a beat.
So how many professional drummers routinely miss beats? I grant you his work is great for the Stones' music, but give me the gut-busting passion of a John Bonham any day (and it was never abouw being 'showy').
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Re: Whats the deal with Charlie Watts?

I never said that other professionals did miss a beat, did I? I'm sure that any drummer, even Charlie and John Bonham, have/had their bad days and flubs, my comment was made to show that in my opinion, Charlie is as rock solid and dependable as any other drummer in rock n roll. I also love John Bonham, he is certainly right up there with Charlie for me, and I don't feel he was that showy either (well, with the exception of Moby Dick which is technically brilliant, but could be shorter in the live versions, but that isn't meant to slight Bonham in the least, just a personal preference.). Bonham had a huge groove, plent of passion, and a thunderous sound that most can't match. I just prefer Charlie's style overall style. No disrespect meant to other drummers.
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I didn't mean to say you were disrespecting other drummers, but I hear that a lot with drummers like Watts or Starr. They are called "rock solid", "good timekeepers", "never miss a beat". I just meant to say that to me, those are the bare minimum skills if you want to call yourself a good drummer.

That said, I will say that I can certainly appreciate simpler drumming, and simpler doesn't necessarily mean simple, and that if you are paying attention even drummers like Watts and Starr are putting a lot of interesting little stuff in there along the way.
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Stones songs don't lend themselves to a lot of showey drumming.
I think Charlie's drumming fits very well with The Stones' music. I mean, The Stones' music isn't very complex so why would it have complex drumming?
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Old 08-16-2008, 05:13 PM   #31
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He is the anchor of the Stones. They did fine without Bill Wyman, but if Charlie ever left, forget it.
I agree. People all too often forget that Brian, Mick and Keith had to actively recruit Charlie for the Stones. He was already an accomplished and much sought after drummer with Alexis Korner's Blues Incorporated while the Stones were trying to land their first club gigs. There exists the very real possibility that the Rolling Stones would never have made it big without Charlie's infectious beat underpinning their tunes.

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Fun fact: Watts once punched out Mick for calling him "My drummer". "Don't ever call me your drummer" Charlie told him "you're my singer."
Mick had been out partying until the wee hours and woke Charlie from his bed in his room upstairs by drunkenly calling out for his "drummer boy". Charlie came down and punctuated his annoyance with Mick's antics.

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Hehe, I read that Mick Jagger played the drum tracks for A Bigger Bang while Charlie Watts was away on health concerns, and then when he got back he had to rerecord all of it 'cause it was bad....
That's actually damning Charlie with faint praise. It would be pretty sad indeed if any drummer could not out drum the singer in his band.

Charlie is a great drummer because he provides precisely what's needed for the Stones' compositions - that being an infectious underlying beat. The Stones tunes just would not be the same without his drumming and given the level of success that the Stones have achieved, you'd have to be a fool to change any part of the formula.

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The Stones are a rock band, not a jazz band. I don't see having "challenging" drumming as a necessity in rock music. Often what you don't play is as important as what you do play. The Stones rock solid back beat is one of the reasons for their longevity IMO.
Well said. I fully agree.

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Listen to his drumming on 2000 Man. How does he do those beats?
With his drumsticks and foot peddle. Great song though!





I don't believe the Stones have ever played it in concert though:

Concert Set Statistics - Rolling Stones

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Here I've picked a dozen Stones' hits on which Charlie's drumming pops out really nicely:


























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