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View Poll Results: Which band do you prefer?
Dave Clark Five 6 85.71%
Herman's Hermits 1 14.29%
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Old 09-19-2021, 01:29 PM   #19
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I had to laugh at the cover of "The Dave Clark Five vs. The Beatles" posted above, where Dave Says "I'll duel with Ringo". Dave Clark didn't even play on most of the DC Five hits; they used a session drummer. He couldn't carry Ringo's tea towel.

Agreed. The press in the UK tried to build it up as a rivalry, because DC5 came from London I think, but they were light years off The Beatles, and most of the other bands that took their music more seriously back them. They were leagues apart, and the DC5 should have been embarrassed by attempted comparisons with The Beatles. Hermans Hermits were their level. Henry the 8th indeed!!
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The press in the UK tried to build it up as a rivalry, because DC5 came from London I think, but they were light years off The Beatles, and most of the other bands that took their music more seriously back them. They were leagues apart....
Once again you're completely failing to put things into the perspective of the time. What was demanded in 1964 and through most of 1965 from a band striving for success in the music business was a steady stream of Top Forty hits. And the Dave Clark Five delivered.

And just how many bands were there that "took their music more seriously" up to the early months of 1965? The Beatles? The Kinks? The Zombies? Actually no. None of these bands were anything more than good honest rock bands at the time. They wouldn't have been as successful as they were had they been anything but. Yes, the Animals and the Rolling Stones had scored a degree of chart success with edgier rhythm 'n blues tunes, but that's about it until mid-1965. The Yardbirds and all the rest were still trying to take flight in early 1965.

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They did a few decent pop songs, but they were nowhere near the Beatles, The Stones, The Animals, The kinks, or others that never made it over there during that era, such as The Hollies.
Quite simply I can only name a very few bands that had emerged by the spring of 1965 who were better than the two bands that are the subject of this poll - the Beatles, Animals, Kinks, Zombies and Rolling Stones. That's pretty good company.

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...the DC5 should have been embarrassed by attempted comparisons with The Beatles.
Embarrassed? Why? That would have been a completely brainless reaction on the part of the Dave Clark Five. I rather think they were glad of the publicity and happily cashing whatever royalty cheques the publicity helped them garner.

The Beatles were certainly put off by those comparisons, but that's because in 1964-65 they didn't feel at all secure in their positions at the top of the rock pantheon. After all history clearly showed that when it came to pop music success, it was here today gone tomorrow.

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You prove my point that they weren't very good when you list Henry the 8th in the top ten songs between them. It was drivel.
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Hermans Hermits were their level. Henry the 8th indeed!!
Your sneers notwithstanding, I'm Henry VIII, I Am brilliantly did the job for which it was intended. It was a smash on the airwaves and was the single fastest-selling song in history to that point.

Was it simplistic? Absolutely! But complexity isn't necessary in good music, especially not pop music. A strong argument can be made that increased complexity is more often than not a negative.

Was it anything but a British dance hall sendoff? No. But that was fine in early 1965! And hopefully here you're not a fan of the Beatles' White Album because that's full of British dance hall sendoffs and other maudlin tracks which was decidedly not fine by late 1968.

Finally, I'm Henry VIII, I Am splendidly passed the test of time. It was a tremendous influence on no less a band of luminaries than the Ramones and was thus instrumental in inspiring the punk rock movement ten years later:

Did punk begin with I'm Henry VIII? - Althouse

The bottom line with respect to these two bands is that I still enjoy a handful of tracks by each band. But I can name well over a dozen big name bands from the 1970's to the 1990's from whose entire catalogues I can name no more than one track I really like - e.g. Black Sabbath, Kiss, Queen, AC/DC, Electric Light Orchestra, Van Halen, Iron Maiden, Rush, Guns 'n' Roses, Bon Jovi, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, etc.

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Finally, I'm Henry VIII, I Am splendidly passed the test of time. It was a tremendous influence on no less a band of luminaries than the Ramones and was thus instrumental in inspiring the punk rock movement ten years later:

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I think "You Really Got Me" by the Kinks and "My Genreation" by The Who were more of a precursor to punk than "Henry The Eighth".
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I think "You Really Got Me" by the Kinks and "My Genreation" by The Who were more of a precursor to punk than "Henry The Eighth".
I agree. I'd also add 96 Tears by ? & the Mysterians and Wild Thing, With a Girl Like You and I Can't Control Myself by the Troggs to the list of 1960's songs that most inspired punk. Incidentally I saw the Dead Boys perform With a Girl Like You onstage at the New Yorker Cinema on Yonge Street in Toronto in the fall of 1977. Twas very impressive to be sure!

Admittedly I was surprised to learn that I'm Henry VIII, I Am was such an important creative influence for the Ramones. But then again as a reaction to the excesses that had crept into mainstream rock by the mid-1970's, punk was initially all about returning rock to its two minute single roots.

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Dave Clark didn't even play on most of the DC Five hits; they used a session drummer.

But the reason Dave Clark often used session drummer Bobby Graham in the studio is the same reason that a lawyer doesn't type his own briefs even if he's the best typist in town. His time is better spent doing more valuable work.

Dave Clark was the founder and manager of the Dave Clark Five. He was also not only the writer or co-writer with other band members of nearly all their hits, he arranged as well as produced the recordings. With Bobby Graham very capably duplicating Dave Clark's signature builds and rolls, Clark's time was therefore better spent behind the dials and switches in the recording studio.

Now that I've delved deeper into the Dave Clark Five because of the questions/issues raised in this thread, I've actually acquired a greater appreciation for the band:

Dave Clark Five - Encyclopedia.com

Dave Clark - Sound&Vision

By 1962 they'd landed a gig playing regularly on England's extensive Mecca ballroom chain and thus established themselves as a live band before becoming recording stars. Moreover right from the outset, Clark cleverly kept the rights to all the Dave Clark Five music masters.

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