The battle for Seattle!

[NDF]

I agree. Grunge stood on it's own. Many people make that connection, that they pushed hair rock to an early grave. IMO it's a little overstated, though there is some truth to it. Hair rock killed itself.

It was a combination of a new, fresh, edgy sound and hair rock burnout. Plus once Nirvana hit there was alot of good bands already making the circuit with the same sound, such as Soundgarden, AIC, Temple of the Dog (PJ antecedent), etc. It was just a question of elevating many of the bands that were already there.

[Slip'nn2Darkness]

Originally Posted by NDF

Hair rock killed itself.

It did not!! those groups are still performing.. The thing that changed is that most likely the music industry brought about a different sound.. Evolution man.. It evolved into a new branch to accommodate the new generation of music lovers. It's not a science that record company's have a lot to do with how long a group will survive.. You know it's all about the figures a band brings in..
If that is not true then why are so many concert prices and anything related to popular groups out the roof???
Not to disagree with your statement totally NDF but as with all the flack grunge has to deal with.. Hair bands are still big in Europe.. Yes they are.. I'm sure if you did some research you would find copy bands that follow anything that would be considered Grunge.
Just because the guys put away the spandex and stopped teasing their hair and settled for working on different music dosn't mean it's became Extinct..It's just so many styles have became more popular with the industry who controls pretty much everything that has to do with band exposure..

[NDF]

Well they ARE selling out the local Casinos. The Hoff is big in Europe too.

Originally Posted by NDF

The Hoff is big in Europe too.

[the roser]

Originally Posted by Slip'nn2Darkness

It did not!! those groups are still performing..

A few of them, which is for the best. Like I said, too many bands, not enough ideas killed hair metal. The bands that remain today probably represent the best the genre had to offer.

[NDF]

Originally Posted by the roser

too many bands, not enough ideas killed hair metal.

I think that sums it up nicely.

[Slip'nn2Darkness]

Originally Posted by NDF

The Hoff is big in Europe too.

This went over my head.. Who's The Hoff????

Originally Posted by NDF

The Hoff is big in Europe too.

Originally Posted by Slip'nn2Darkness

This went over my head.. Who's The Hoff????

The Hoff

Interesting. I didn't know who the Hoff was either. Nonetheless, I'd still rather take his car for a spin than listen to him sing.

[NDF]

[the roser]

Metal isn't what we are talking about. Hair bands are. While there is no question that some of the hair bands are enjoying a resurgence. Never went away is a misnomer. Ratt would have had a hard time selling out a small club in the late 90's.

Now metal, you are correct that that never went away. Real metal bands like Slayer, Testament, Overkill and of course Metallica were going strong while the Hair Bands (boy bands with guitars) were preening on MTV and putting out cookie cutter record after cookie cutter record.

[Foxhound]

Hmmmm. Perhaps the only way to settle this question of whether hair bands have gone away is to get a chart of total tonnage of hairspray sold by year.

[NDF]

Originally Posted by the roser

Metal isn't what we are talking about.

I caught that subtle shift in argument as well. Me thinks he takes things a bit too literally. Doing well on the Indian Reservations is ceasing to be relevant in my book. Sure you make a few dollars from the old folks playing blackjack, but that's all you're doing.

I think there are some "tribute" hair bands that are making more bank than many of the late-80's leftovers.

[Phantastico]

Originally Posted by Slip'nn2Darkness

It did not!! those groups are still performing.

Yes they are. On the heritage and nostalgia circuit. Just like the Beach Boys...


As it stands, a majority of the 80s metal bands are not doing anything new and interesting. They're merely going through the motions, playing the game and making a modest living. There will always be a demand for nostalgia, and these bands do a great job at meeting that demand. Nothing evolutionary mind you, IMHO. Just good-time formula rock with a higher production value and infantile lyrics.

I'd be curious to see which 80s metal bands (with the possible exception of Bon Jovi, who are at a crossroads with country these days) are out-performing a band like Pearl Jam. This is a group that after 20 years, still charts new studio albums and sells out arenas without other bands on the bill. That's where the heartbeat of the music business is -- not at casino revival shows.

[Slip'nn2Darkness]

Originally Posted by Phantastico

I'd be curious to see which 80s metal bands (with the possible exception of Bon Jovi, who are at a crossroads with country these days) are out-performing a band like Pearl Jam. This is a group that after 20 years, still charts new studio albums and sells out arenas without other bands on the bill. That's where the heartbeat of the music business is -- not at casino revival shows.

Why don't you google it.. Type in 80's Metal bands.. where are they now...
Pearl Jam was finally taking shape in 92.. and hugged the Mystery persona as far as stay out of the picture like most main stream bands.. Just like all the mentality of the grunge bands they hid.. And stayed low..
But keep in mind most of the Seattle bands didn't want to follow the norm of the music industry.
80's bands were ahead of that and bought into all the MTV crap and producers who said.. "Let's Get Rich" Not really the theme of grunge bands now is it..
Don't forget who paved the road.. And do look up who is still out there doing there part to keep nostalgia rock alive.. Pearl Jam is a younger band by far.. don't give them the Classic rock title as of yet..

[rtbuck]

I never thought I'd ever pick Nirvana for anything but I do like their 'Bleach' & 'Nevermind' albums.
I don't mind the other bands but I'd rather listen to something else most of the time

[the roser]

Manowar is not a hair band, Candlebox is not a grunge band. But please, go on about my lack of knowledge.

But yeah, I'm sure Manowar packs 'em in in Belgium or where-ever.

[Phantastico]

Originally Posted by Slip'nn2Darkness

Why don't you google it.. Type in 80's Metal bands.. where are they now...

It was a rhetorical question. Doing a Google search will give me answers I already have.

Think about it: Seattle is a city of a few bands who created their own genre against a genre that's popular all over the world. Pretty amazing to think that in the early 90s, one little genre (grunge) with a few bands was enough to temporarily derail an internationally strong genre like metal, with bands from all over the world. It was almost like the Battle of Thermopylae, with the Spartans (grunge) taking on the Persians (metal). In the end, metal never went away and grunge pretty much died. Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.