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View Poll Results: Choose your standard bearer.
Alice in Chains 21 31.82%
Nirvana 20 30.30%
Pearl Jam 15 22.73%
Soundgarden 10 15.15%
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Old 09-03-2009, 06:18 PM   #109
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Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.


There's usually some great hair bands playing on Carnival Cruise Lines. Check the schedule.
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Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.


There's usually some great hair bands playing on Carnival Cruise Lines. Check the schedule.
I'm so there dude!

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Think about it: Seattle is a city of a few bands who created their own genre against a genre that's popular all over the world. Pretty amazing to think that in the early 90s, one little genre (grunge) with a few bands was enough to temporarily derail an internationally strong genre like metal, with bands from all over the world. It was almost like the Battle of Thermopylae, with the Spartans (grunge) taking on the Persians (metal). In the end, metal never went away and grunge pretty much died. Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.
OMG Man.. Did you use a bulldozer to put all that crap in a pile??
I'm going to need the space shuttle to see over the top of that heap..
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Manowar is not a hair band, Candlebox is not a grunge band. But please, go on about my lack of knowledge.

But yeah, I'm sure Manowar packs 'em in in Belgium or where-ever.
Trust me there are plenty of fans in the metal community that would disagree with you roser...though I respect them as a power metal outfit.


No I was referencing Manowar in Germany..as well as many more places and stadiums they fill....I didn't say you had a lack of knowledge roser..I said you seem to be the one at least on the right track.

I also said it was no disrespect..people cannot generalize or spew facts when they have none..don't listen or read up on genre's of music they don't care for.

..and now that I think about it..the same people here making CASINO claims are the same people that say..being more popular is not always about being the coolest.

So from that point of view alone...we're still cool!! Either way it's a win/win.
If Manowar plays a stadium, it's because they are playing a festival. But they aren't hair metal, so they aren't relevant to the conversation. They started in New York in 1980. They had nothing to do with the LA scene that spawned hair bands.
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Old 09-04-2009, 12:31 AM   #113
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Think about it: Seattle is a city of a few bands who created their own genre against a genre that's popular all over the world. Pretty amazing to think that in the early 90s, one little genre (grunge) with a few bands was enough to temporarily derail an internationally strong genre like metal, with bands from all over the world. It was almost like the Battle of Thermopylae, with the Spartans (grunge) taking on the Persians (metal). In the end, metal never went away and grunge pretty much died. Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.
OMG Man.. Did you use a bulldozer to put all that crap in a pile??
I'm going to need the space shuttle to see over the top of that heap..
I should have figured that'd be a little over your head.

Not a problem.

You know what they say, "water seeks its own level..."


Then again, that one might be out of the ballpark for someone like you and your rocker wanna-be buddy.
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Think about it: Seattle is a city of a few bands who created their own genre against a genre that's popular all over the world. Pretty amazing to think that in the early 90s, one little genre (grunge) with a few bands was enough to temporarily derail an internationally strong genre like metal, with bands from all over the world. It was almost like the Battle of Thermopylae, with the Spartans (grunge) taking on the Persians (metal). In the end, metal never went away and grunge pretty much died. Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.
OMG Man.. Did you use a bulldozer to put all that crap in a pile??
I'm going to need the space shuttle to see over the top of that heap..

...and one has to love a fake pic of a preppy guy trying to dress like an old hair metal rocker to make a bad point....

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If Manowar plays a stadium, it's because they are playing a festival.



Ok...I'm not even going to try.....get back to your grunge records...at least you know a thing or two about that.

why dont you guys actually discuss Phantasticos points rather than just insulting or laughing. If youre gonna call bs at least have an argument. Its like you know its true and are avoiding commenting. I think all of Phantasticos points above are true. Name some hair metal bands that sell stadiums. Its not happening, at least in Canada in the US. And its true the vast majority of grunge bands, at least in its initial surge, came from Seattle. And i dont think hair metal totally died, but its mainstream popularity went into the tank once grunge broke out.
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Think about it: Seattle is a city of a few bands who created their own genre against a genre that's popular all over the world. Pretty amazing to think that in the early 90s, one little genre (grunge) with a few bands was enough to temporarily derail an internationally strong genre like metal, with bands from all over the world. It was almost like the Battle of Thermopylae, with the Spartans (grunge) taking on the Persians (metal). In the end, metal never went away and grunge pretty much died. Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.
OMG Man.. Did you use a bulldozer to put all that crap in a pile??
I'm going to need the space shuttle to see over the top of that heap..
I should have figured that'd be a little over your head.

Not a problem.

You know what they say, "water seeks its own level..."


Then again, that one might be out of the ballpark for someone like you and your rocker wanna-be buddy.
Why insult Slip?? Why Insult Me?? (without naming names we all know you mean me)

...and as you say...why are you dragging me into your conversation??

it's true...your post made no sense...you're generalizing...as well as that post being pure poop.

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why dont you guys actually discuss Phantasticos points rather than just insulting or laughing.
...so posting a pic of a halloween hair metal costume is a much more intelligent conversation...

Laughing yes...insulting NO...see above quote from Phantastico for professional insults and WHY no one will DISCUSS anything with him...

Wanna Be's like us are sthooooopid
So let me see if I understand this correctly.

You laugh and insult my iniital comments and posts, calling it "crap" and "poop" without any attempt at intelligent debate...

And then you're surprised and hurt when someone responds in jest?

Are you for real dude?
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Think about it: Seattle is a city of a few bands who created their own genre against a genre that's popular all over the world. Pretty amazing to think that in the early 90s, one little genre (grunge) with a few bands was enough to temporarily derail an internationally strong genre like metal, with bands from all over the world. It was almost like the Battle of Thermopylae, with the Spartans (grunge) taking on the Persians (metal). In the end, metal never went away and grunge pretty much died. Yet, here we are, 20 years later, and Pearl Jam is now one of the biggest bands in the world. And most metal bands play package tours in arenas, or at clubs, casinos and fairs on their own. That's the way it is.
OMG Man.. Did you use a bulldozer to put all that crap in a pile??
I'm going to need the space shuttle to see over the top of that heap..
Have you looked at the numbers lately? No you didn't. Otherwise you wouldn't have contributed to the 'crap pile' just now.
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If Manowar plays a stadium, it's because they are playing a festival.



Ok...I'm not even going to try.....get back to your grunge records...at least you know ALOT about that.
No, please. Educate me. I'm looking at Manowar's website and all the recent dates they have, and it's not many, are either festivals or mid-sized halls in Europe. Why not provide some examples of large stadium gigs that Manowar has headlined on their own, or with one or two supporting acts. I will happily concede the point if you are able to back it up.
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Manowar they aren't hair metal, so they aren't relevant to the conversation. They started in New York in 1980. They had nothing to do with the LA scene that spawned hair bands.
Although I agree with you....and I do...except for the festival thang...just curious..where do you draw the line then?

How about hair metal 80's Whitesnake??

Are they NOT a hair band considering the line-up and the fact they didn't come out of LA originally or the 80's?? I mean originally Coverdale was with Deep Purple and did alot of fine work with Jimmy Page and others. Other members coming from Ozzy,Black Oak Arkansas,Vandenberg and Dio?



Also..and correct me if I'm wrong and if I am, I apologize in advance (I'm Sorry), I may be thinking of a conversation with somebody else...but I almost remember a conversation where you refrenced Def Leppard as being a hair band...would they not fall under the "no hair band rule" also...since...1. A couple guys have no hair...and 2...they came out before said hair band explosion...and being from England??



There's a truck load of bands during this time that fit your MANOWAR theory as of present.
Whitesnake videos and Def Leppard videos were played constantly on MTV during the hair metal days and they tailored their sound to have hit singles during that era. Manowar had no hits, weren't played on MTV (except maybe Heaadbanger's Ball) and were a band for akward teen boys not oversexed teen girls. There is no "hairband rule", everybody knows what I mean. You just want to make an argument out of it because that's what you do.

BTW, none of this should be taken as a defense of Manowar from me. They were goofy in their own special way, they just weren't a hair band.
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So it has to be what they are currently doing???

You make it sound as if the "festivals" they play or have played are some rinky dink...Midwest Bank in Tinley Park...

But we're talking Earthshaker and I see quite a few big ones on there for current dates.

These are held in STADIUMS alot of times and..hmmm...Manowar gets to headline whenever their on the bill. Milions of people like them.... They are not festivals with 50 bands on the bill like Lalapalooza.


Here's the deal. I'm calling bullsh*t. I don't think they headline these festivals, at least not recently. If they had, it would be easy to find confirmation of that on the world wide web. I haven't been able to confirm it and I doubt you can. I'm sure they can pack mid size, say 10 to 15 thousand capacity, halls when they share the bill with other know acts in Europe. But you are overstating their popularity to support a weak point. Prove me wrong or move on.

BTW. Pearl Jam sold out the United Center in Chicago, capacity 23,000, by themselves. Twice. Last month. Here's a review...

https://music.newcity.com/2009/08/26/...united-center/

See how easy that is?
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I'm not going to buy a Manowar DVD because they are kinda ridiculous. What year was that from? A simple link would do fine.

Yup, Alice in Chains with a new singer are doing a club and small hall tour. Did Candle box (not a grunge band) open for Vince Neil at that Ribfest?

Oh snap!!! Check out the ribfest line-up this year!

https://www.ribfest.net/
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That's the Norway Rock Festival. They played with nearly 50 other bands.

Todd Rungren and Blue Oyster Cult played ribfest too. In the past Vince Neil and Ted Nugent have played there and I'm betting Gyngyr Lynn wouldn't turn it down. It's a gig.
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My bad, 20 bands..

Nightwish
Manowar
In Flames
Sonata Arctica
Arch Enemy
Zerozonic
Holyhell
W.A.S.P.
Testament
Mustasch
K(nine)
Thunderbolt
Backyard Babies
Doro
U.D.O
Satyricon
Skambankt
Sagh
Sirenia
Sister Sin


And yes Manowar did headline one night, but do you think the crowd would have been that much smaller if they hadn't? And again, this is metal, not a hair band in the line up except maybe WASP. Jane's Addiction and Tool just headlined Lolopalooza. While not technically "grunge" both of those bands are from the same era. That dosen't matter? So I'll concede your point that metal is still huge in Europe (although I don't know who was arguing against that point, they were talking about hair bands) if you concede that 90's acts are still huge in the US.
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W.A.S.P. is not a hair band...try shock metal/rock or whatever it's cool sh**..they deserve to be among the best and that is a kick ass line up!!
Fair enough. They were from that scene but not "of" that scene stylistically. I saw them with Slayer back in the day and they put on a good show.

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