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View Poll Results: Downloading = stealing?
Yes 13 35.14%
No 17 45.95%
I have a sad-ass excuse for why MY downloading isn't stealing - tick this box 7 18.92%
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:11 PM   #1
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Downloading = stealing?

Again, easy downloading poll - yes or no?
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:13 PM   #2
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Re: Downloading = stealing?

I voted yes, duh
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:25 PM   #3
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Re: Downloading = stealing?

It's comparable to recording my favorite program on a VHS tape. I don't think it's comparable to stealing a product out of a store, so no.
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Old 11-02-2009, 12:30 PM   #4
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Re: Downloading = stealing?

I'm going to say "no" because there's "legal" downloading and there's "illegal" downloading. And this was not clarified in the poll.
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Re: Downloading = stealing?

As most posters here know, I'm definitely not against filesharing but I voted yes, because the way the laws are now it is classified as stealing. So, yes. I'd still say that technically it's more like industrial espionage but anyways...

I'm totally against the way the riaa and everyone is acting though.
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Old 11-02-2009, 02:32 PM   #6
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It's comparable to recording my favorite program on a VHS tape. I don't think it's comparable to stealing a product out of a store, so no.
It is directly comparable to stealing a product out of a store. The fact that it is online has nothing to do with it - it's not like recording something online or anything. You either have the product or you don't. You've either paid for it or you haven't.

Taping off the tv hardly compares to 1,000s and 1,000s of downloaded - free - digital copies online... noooo sir. Most people are happy to accept free digital copies of album - they can't tell the difference between the copy and the original. Why should they bother buying the album (or the iTunes download or whatever) if they're happy with the clean copy they got for free??

Taping off the tv or the radio - or taping off a vinyl album... everyone could tell it was a copy.

Fairly important distinction. The sheer quantity as well - even the most aggressive tape trader back then would have problems making a 100 copies of any given album - and distributing them too, not least. Fairly important distinction #2...

Quality, availability, convenience... digital downloading is just another beast entirely from taping music or tv 20-30 years ago.
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I'm going to say "no" because there's "legal" downloading and there's "illegal" downloading. And this was not clarified in the poll.

So you're trying to get off on a technicality? Pffft, sure you shouldn't have been a lawyer?!
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I voted no
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I'm going to say "no" because there's "legal" downloading and there's "illegal" downloading. And this was not clarified in the poll.

So you're trying to get off on a technicality? Pffft, sure you shouldn't have been a lawyer?!


I went to law school for six months, but dropped out.

I know you meant "illegal" downloading, but I'm just kidding with you (and might I add, you take it well).


We've been down this road before. I have downloaded a few albums from Amazon, and I have downloaded a ton of unreleased, mostly live recordings, from various private sites.

I will also admit that I once tried to download an out-of-print album from Pirate Bay, but then my PC was attacked by malware. So I won't be going there again.

My answer is still "no"...

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Re: Downloading = stealing?

Well... I voted yes BUT I should've used the third option!

I do download but I make up lame excuses for why I 'have to' I still buy the same amount of albums - my wife can vouch for that

BUT it's still stealing. I'd never steal an album out of a record store BUT when it's online I think most of us FEEL that 'it's different'. But it's not. That's all I'm trying to say.

And yeah, I figured you were kidding on the 'illegal' thing... not like we haven't been down this road before

This discussion should be made into a board game, come to think of it...
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Re: Downloading = stealing?

If you steal a record from the record store, the record is gone. Nothing is gone if I download a song, therefore, no theft. Not stealing.
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If you steal a record from the record store, the record is gone. Nothing is gone if I download a song, therefore, no theft. Not stealing.
bingo hence why I put option three.

actually I'll go further-I download plenty of singles and whole albums from a new artist from their website. How is this stealing when they offer it.

Also download plenty of live show that aren't available to buy.
Also download bonus stuff that comes when you buy an album
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If you steal a record from the record store, the record is gone. Nothing is gone if I download a song, therefore, no theft. Not stealing.
Because it is online 'it isn't really there'...? Are you sure you want to stand by that comment?
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Explain why I'm wrong. Smilies don't scare me.
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If you steal a record from the record store, the record is gone. Nothing is gone if I download a song, therefore, no theft. Not stealing.
Industrial espionage man!
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Re: Downloading = stealing?

If I download something I like I put it on a must buy list. If the list gats too big I stop D'ling until I buy all the albums I want.Therefore the artists stiil gets my money

Sooo option three
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No, in fact it is my way of getting back all the money I spent on the Ticketmaster charges in my lifetime.
(Is that excuse lame enough for you?)
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No, in fact it is my way of getting back all the money I spent on the Ticketmaster charges in my lifetime.
(Is that excuse lame enough for you?)

Plenty lame, thanks

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